Wednesday, August 28, 2019

Let's make a "deal" an Observation why we all love our "Discounts"

"Let's Make a Deal"

Monty Hall



Back in 2011 when my Faithful and Obedient Companion and I did a 2 month cross country trip across the USA we visited numerous National Parks.  It always amazed us to watch a parade of huge expensive Motorhomes, driven by wealthy retirees, using their lifetime National Park  "Senior Card" (which costs 10 bucks), to enter the Park for free.  Meanwhile those entering with a car full of kids, driving an old car, would be dropping 60 or 70 bucks to make a visit for just  the day.   It fondly reminded me of my wonderful Mother in Law who relished such "Senior Discounts" and always would add...I deserve it after all I am entitled .

Now don't get me wrong once we hit 65 we also purchased a 10 dollar lifetime pass, in my name.  A few months back I laughed when my Faithful and Obedient Companion, upon reading of a soon to be implemented 10 fold increase in such passes, suggested (tongue in cheek...I think) we get another one in her name as well before the increase, why ?  Well in case I died first and she could no longer use my card!

Somehow the "idea" that older people "need discounts" has become an integral part of our culture.  I guess we all have have been ingrained with this picture of poor seniors eating dog food or something and so we give discounts to those seniors who own $500,000 Motorhomes.

So just to write this blog I decided to "confirm" facts that most of us likely already "know"...how that image of "poor seniors" is really BS.

Here is a quick snapshot of median US wealth by household age,  and consider hat this does not even consider that younger households have more members.

Age 35 or younger: $11,100
Age 35-44: $59,800
Age 45-54: $124,200
Age 55-64: $187,300
Age 65-74: $224,100
Age 75 or older: $264,800

Here is average the stats based on "averages".
Age 35 or younger: $76,200
Age 35-44: $288,700
Age 45-54: $727,500
Age 55-64: $1.17 million
Age 65-74: $1.07 million
Age 75 or older: $1.07 million


So now about age discounts..I searched "Young People Discounts" and I only found a few results...mainly for college kids air fare and travel, and one for theater tickets. 

I then searched senior discounts and was flooded with results.  I will not even bother to copy and paste anything...my blog post would be page after page.  

OK so I state the obvious, charging people based on "age" in this country is a long standing marketing ploy which is not against the law.

So imagine my surprise when a few of my senior golfing friends raised a legal question (about age discrimination in pricing ) about this years Stowe Country Club pricing scheme:





My answer well of course it is.....so what?

Now I have no idea why from a financial standpoint the course would want to make long term members "miffed" by advertising such a pricing scheme but they did state this:


What’s New at Stowe Country Club for 2019?
One Club – All adult memberships will now have unrestricted access to any available tee times, up to 7 days in advance.
Next Generation – SCC is making a concerted effort to grow the game by attracting our next generation of Club members.  In addition to reducing our Under 20 pricing, we now have more affordable options for those under age 30 and 40.
Now everyone knows Golf is in trouble demographically, and I have no clue if this scheme helps stem that tide.  I also wonder how many members quit versus new ones that signed up and what the ultimate economic consequences are to SCC.  However, this is not a "private club" and is still in theory, a "Profit Center" at AIG.   I do know this to me seems a long term play to in fact grow the game, based purely on demographics.  The question long term is this.  When this crop of new members ages will they begin to look for  senior "discounts"or will they remember SCC as one of the few places that offered a youth discount when they needed it?  Only time will tell.
My Final "real" Observation is this:
Everybody wants a deal, but if history is any lesson what we  humans really hate to see is someone get a bargain that we cannot. It's just who we are. It's no wonder that our younger fellow citizens are likely to look for free stuff like "Health Care" when they see that the richer members of society are already getting their  "Health Care" via medicare on the cheap.  Be careful what you wish for because in total (as someone who is no socialist) there is no free lunch for any of us.

With that I bid you adieu








5 comments:

  1. FAITHFUL AND OBEDIENT COMPANIONAugust 29, 2019 at 5:49 AM

    Nothing is fair in life so why don’t we all just get over it! I have straight hair and want curly, I am medium height and want to be tall or petit, I want to be super rich, I want, I need , I deserve, I’m entitled! Golly! What a bunch of whiners Americans are. I have never liked discounts based on anything except- this price, offer, etc. is reduced today. A few years ago JC Penny decided to go with 'fair pricing' and it was an extreme failure. Why? Everyone wants a bargain whether you buy Gucci or shampoo.

    Think about the trouble the Vermont Baker got in denying a cake to a gay couple. Why can’t we just allow differences and embrace ourselves in a loving acceptance? And stop pointing fingers!

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  2. Thanks Phil and Ethel for weighing in...I see you guys emailed everyone so I will not repost your comments on blog like I did with my "Faithful and Obedient Companion"..

    Funny how certain topics can excite some...and bore others. Anyway fun topic for me...

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  3. Nice thoughts Jim. Personally I have no problem with private enterprise offering senior discounts; it’s fun to get a 15% off dinner at Bonefish Grill and 20% off at Walgreens on the first Tuesday of the month! I wish I could find senior discounts at my liquor and cigar stores �� I do agree that some public entitlements like the National Park entrance fees would be more fair if based off income and not age. Medicare does cost more by income, but still a great deal for seniors. I guess if more seniors saw the light we could change some of these things...last time I checked we still are a large voting block.

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  4. Discounted liquor and cigars for seniors.....what a great idea Ells!
    Not only would I be first in line for those deals but it could well solve our growing senior entitlement issues by shortening our time on Medicare! I know how insurance minds work.....

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  5. Editors Note this "comment" by John Delnegro will take place in three seperate "posts". Why because he set a record for length of comment which is limited by google to 4,096 characters. Hang on:
    Hello Jim,



    As always I enjoy reading your Observations regardless of what altitude you are at. And as always I feel you do a very good job of expressing both sides of an argument. Not having the time to dig to the depths you do I would still like to offer a few sprite and opposing thoughts on your last blog, and heaven knows that my verbiage will pal in comparison to yours. Now I think I was the cheap senior citizen that prompted you to write “Let’s Make A Deal.”



    The first example you use is the fees charged at a National Park. The young pay $60 per entry and seniors pay $10 for a lifetime pass. Strange thing, I was at REI last week checking out and I made a statement about being retired to the lady clerk. She responded by telling me she couldn’t wait for next year as she would turn 60 and be able to get a National Park pass for $10 having spent several years paying far more when she, husband and children would visit the Park system. Let’s say the family visited the park annually for 40 years ($2400). I think it is wonderful that having paid in $2400 she now will pay $10 rather than having paid the lesser amount for 40 years$10 ($400). Yes it would have been a great deal for them during the time you state they had less money but I ask you…do you really think this 59 year old lady working at REI will have the discretionary income at age 60 that the family had when two were working. While I know you are fastidious about your stats I really wonder how those income figures were derived. I don’t think the average park visitor fits your stats even though they are correct. The stats don’t look like the average couple from Iowa’s income, yes, maybe Stowe, VT. Let’s also talk about what it costs to operate our national parks. No, I don’t feel sorry for the government but it is heavily subsidized and the $2400 vs $400 sure makes a difference. Let’s talk about the ratio of seniors to young who can take advantage of this offer perhaps 1:10 so I don’t feel so bad about rewarding them. Let me give you one more example from my personal experience. Walk into the any Moose Club in America. Here you will find the majority of members have income of far less than your stats indicate in fact they wait for their social security checks which affords them the luxury of having dinner two beers and getting change back from a $10 yes really change back. But the young who have far more earning power can also join.

    To be continued


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